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[echelon]

Hi DN,

By "same column of data", I assume that you're talking about odds in an Excel spreadsheet?

It would make sense to use high odds for backing (to maximise profits) and low odds for laying (to minimise liability).

What really blows my mind about the strategies here is the level of filtering. The most showing in a particular strategy is only 9!

I find that by looking in the data I can filter down to this level by looking at certain odds, grades, distances, traps etc. of recent bets, However as soon as I test this filtering out, the market changes and the filters required are different. This is a real stumbling block for me and I think is the key thing which is preventing me from seeing any sort of consistency in my strategies.

[woweee]

Hi Echelon

I'm in the same boat as you. I can play around with different filters using the BFBotmanger Bets tab. I can either achieve a high profit and low SR. Or the opposite. Soon as I run it live using small stakes the market changes and I make a loss.

[Beerio]

I 100% agree with DN as you do need to continue to work on your filtering. What started with 7 bots on the 29th of Sep has turned to 4 bots by Oct 18th...

All 4 bots are separate in the filtering they do, however they do pick up the same horse from time to time and it's either a double winner or a double loser. The graph below is based on £10 stakes and showing +£257.70 after 345 runs.

I am planning on making more filters that will work along side the ones I have but happy to pick up a few pts per day and just keep this ticking over. If you have a dream of making this work don't give up people, just keep on filtering.

[echelon]

Hi DN,

Thanks for that interesting insight into how your spreadsheets are put together.

I would guess that these tables are for AU horse races with 5 to 10 runners and it looks like the favourite number is matched against the runner number?

I don't follow AU horses, so I'm not sure what the runner number actually means as I know horses aren't like greyhounds where the runner is always the trap (box) number.

I assume that the data you're using is coming from the BFBM results screen, are you using any other data in addition to make your selections?

I did some filtering in my results tab picking up 5 field races and looked at favourites 4 and 5 (attached).

Your table suggests that only F5 and runner 5 is valid for the amount you've plugged in that you would like to earn from a 5 runner race.

From my results this doesn't make much sense to me - can you explain a bit more how this all hangs together?

[Rendoe]

Bloody impressive DN, I'm a long way behind you.

[echelon]

Thanks for the general hints DN.

One thing puzzles me with analysing horse racing data - take AU races as an example.

The horses are numbered starting 1 based on the heaviest weight being carried, the next heaviest at 2 and so on.

These I believe show as runner numbers in the BFBM Results tab and are also called saddlecloth numbers because that's where they are seen on the horse.

If we look at the csv data from the Betfair site, then we see a number as part of the selection name - which again appears to be the runner number.

Given that stall draw (I believe) is an important part of our data analysis, where can we find historical data which contains the stall draw?

[echelon]

Hi DN,

Thanks for all those links and tips - very handy!

I've not used Data Miner before, though it looks really good. Previously to scrape data from sites required a lot of messing around programming and then when you had a program nicely set up, you'd find that the websites you were scraping were updated and the scraping code needed to be written again

I guess the sort of things that we could do with this additional data is for example to look at form. Average race speed of dogs is supposedly a good way to weed out potential winners - if we scrape those speeds from previous form, then we can compare speeds with odds/traps and whether dogs win or lose from the data we've already compiled in Excel.

From that analysis, we may end up with patterns of odds/traps which are associated with fast winning dogs. So, in effect we're using what could be called the metadata of speed which is the only thing that BFBM understands - because there's no connection to form for the dogs.

[sandres53]

Hello.
I have been following your conversations for 4 months. I appreciate the feedback from DN6789.
I have been working on betting systems for 10 years with IA (AUS UK NZ FR, GH H) and football. I use BF Bot Manageur. It's a good bot. I worked a lot in vba Excel and automation.I can help in excel.
I would publish my results.

sandres53
The Fisherman

[sandres53]

My Results 8/11/21 GH AU/NZ
Filters : Prices/FAV/Runner/SEQ with BFBM
*********************************************
IA : No
Speed ratings : No
Tissue prices :No


T=+78 $ SR:57% 8/14 STOP

Sandres53
The Fisherman

[woweee]

Despite reading all Dn's posts I've totally failed at backing.
I'm now Laying the Aus/Nz dogs. The attached strategies are doing quite well.
If the fav is in Trap 1 it stands about 60% chance of winning.
I've also removed all races over 500 meters.

I usually win 10 to 25 pts per day. One losing day in the last 7 of 18 pts.
This almost guarantees tomorrow will be a losing day.
Only had two consecutive losses once.
No recovery.

I think these strategies can be improved by selecting certain tracks.
At the moment I don't have enough data.

[sandres53]

My Results 10/11/21 G AU/NZ
Filters : Runner/Box with BFBM One Filters
*********************************************
SEQ:No
IA : No
Speed ratings : No
Tissue prices :No


T=+101 $ SR:44% 12/24 STOP

Sandres53
The Fisherman

[woweee]

10/11/21
Laying Aus/Nz dogs
43.2 pts profit today.

[sandres53]

Oh Yess Woweee

Good Results.

Go Lay Go

sandres53
The Fisherman

[woweee]

Another winning day.
I'm going to move to a new thread.
Hopefully get some input on how to improve it.

[boblewo]

 dn6789

Hey dn6789! I read all of this topic (and some others as well, regarding dogs). I've been trying for months on ed now to try to find a decent strategy regarding dogs, AUS, or UK, lay or back, with hedge, with trade out, everything, but with no success at all.

I don't even care if it is a small profit, as long as it is constant.

Would you be willing to just chat about it, maybe look at some of my strategies, or give me some insight? Please