Pot Recovery with switching between real and simulated bets

[Crafter]

Hello,

i using a the mutliple favorites bot to back selection in a specific odd range.

My settings for Profit/Loss are:
Switch to real moder after 4 losing markets in a row
Switch to simulation moder after 1 winning markets in a row

I also activated the Loss Pot Recovery and recognized that the loss of the simulated bets is used to calculate the stake for the next real bet. Is there a possibility to avoid this behaviour. When the bot starts with real mode i want to reset the loss.

[charlie]

I think mcbee may have provided your answer>


by mcbee » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:18 pm

hi
a quick update with this.
in the profit and loss settings, if you set the bot to RESTART after x losses(your wait for x losses) as well as switch to live mode after x losses, the bot switches to live mode without any loss recovery amount so you only recover what is lost in live betting.


mcbeemcbee

[Crafter]

Do i have to untick the mark at "Save loss Pot" in the Loss Recovery Settings? Normaly the bot doesn't reset the loss pot, right?

[Crafter]

Hello,

i tried this but it doesn't work.

I want to configure a bot with the following behaviour:
1. Betting with Loss Pot Recovery until the first winning Bet
2- After first winning bet the bot should switch into the simulation modus until the are 5 loosing bet in a row
3. after the fivth loosing bet the bot should start betting again with a resetted loss pot
4. begin with 1.

Is it possible to configure such a behaviour? Thanks for informations

[Rade]

Hi Crafter,

All losses go to loss pot. Switching between real and simulation mode will not clear bets.

Regards,
Rade

[Crafter]

Thanks a lot for this information ... Is it possible that this feature will be implemented in a next version?

Can i realise my idea with a specific staking plan?

[mcbee]

hi
if you miss out your first bet until win.
you could use the wait until x losses in a row option.
this will wait for your 5 losses then start betting with the loss pot until a win then the loss will be cleared with the win bet and wait until 5 losses again.
so the bot will wait until 5 losses at the start, then bet until win with recovery, then wait until 5 losses again.
thus missing out the switch between live and sim.

mcbee

[Crafter]

i understand ... My problem is the huge loss pot after the 5 loosing bets. I want to start real betting with the real loss pot. The bot should differ between simulated and real loss pot

[UncleLS]

I found a way around this. Incorporate "Simple Sequence Overall P/L" with the Simulation/Real mode switching after Win/losses. By this I mean if your want 5 losses before counting real losses just set the first 5 steps in the sequence to 1 and then start the stake multiplier recovery (say Fibonacci sequence), when you get a win the sequence resets. You will need to turn off Loss Pot recovery. This will only work with one win though.

[mcbee]

hi Crafter
by using the wait for x losses option, the bot does not place any bets until after the 5 losses, so there will be no loss to recover from the waiting until losses.
the bot will wait until say the second(or whatever fav you set) fav has lost 5 times in a row then it will start placing bets.

mcbee

[UncleLS]

Hi mcbee,

I see want you mean I will test it out as an alternative to my work around. Does the bot show what bets are being lost or does it just count them?

[mcbee]

hi
it does not show lost bets because there has been no bet made, but it will show the fav that won the race, so if you chose 2nd fav x losses, by looking at the winner poss you can see how many times the 2nd fav won or did'nt win.
on the grey area where it has P/L
put the mouse pointer on the P/L
right click the mouse button
select columns
now select winner(s) fav possitions and or whatever else you want to show or not.


mcbee

[Crafter]

But how I have to configure the bot? When i resume the bot it places the first bet. When i paused the bet the bot never resumed

[UncleLS]

Hi mcbee,

I like to see the bets made both real and virtual in the bets history, because I'm always looking at what bets are been made and when so I can fine tune my strategies.

[UncleLS]

Hi Crafter,

I don't believe the bot can be restart from pause automatically. You need to resume and setup switches/counters for changing between simulation and real mode, or set switches/counters to reset the Bot profit/loss recovery, or count Fav loss / wins before start bet (ala:mcbee solution).

mcbee's count Fav loss solution: The counters for Favs are found in the "Favourite Selection Rules" in the bottom right hand corner, you should not need to switch between simulation/real mode using this technique. You will also need to set the number of wins counter in row to some large number say 1000, so don't start any bets until you get your 5 losses only, there should be only one win before it stops real bets again. You could also incorparate the Reset after win switch. The good thing about this solution is you can run it in simulation mode for testing.

[Crafter]

Can anyone help me with some screenshots. My bot doesn't start

[UncleLS]

Do you mean the bots not processing or bets are not been made? If the former: Have you tried shutting down the program and restarting; If that doesn't work try restarting the computer. I have found that occassionally BF bot goes to funny state if you make a lot of changes to settings on the run.

[Crafter]

The bot doesn't place bets because it stands always in the Pause-Mode! Here are my settings

[UncleLS]

Hi crafter,

The bot will not start until you press the resume button, have you tried that? But don't start the bot with the other settings because you are starting in real money mode! and I'm not sure what you want to achieve with the other settings. Your settings mean if you have one win you will go into simulation mode, but not come back? and if you start with 4 real loses you not recover your real money? Are you still wanting to achieve what you asked at the start of this topic?

[UncleLS]

Hi mcbee,

I have been testing your solution using the favourite counts, but it only seems to work upto the first win and then continues betting. The win loss counters don't seem to get reset on the first win? Is this a BUG? I have tried it with with and without resetting on first win! Have you tried this technique?

It is also very difficult to work out when my strategy made a virtual bet, because they don't show up anywhere and I have a number of rules defining when to place a bet!

[mcbee]

hi
do not tick any of the stop/reset or switch to sim/live options.
all you should be using is the bet after x wins/losses in a row option in the fav options.
wins = 0 less than wins = 0
losses = 5 less than losses = 1000(unless you want to limit the losses in a row then TICK bet after exact number of wins/losses)
set you recovery as normal.

mcbee

[Crafter]

Yes it works great! Thanks mcbee and UncleLS